Saturday, October 18, 2008

IAN WISHART: Passport Scandal-two ministers, one MP implicated

The following is the full expose' of Ian Wisharts allegations that Labour took donations from a Chinese immigrant with several identities in exchange for New Zealand citizenship.


Two Ministers, one MP implicated

Ian Wishart 17 Oct 2008

A Chinese businessman allegedly wanted for fraud in China and whose assets were seized in Australia last year after he was found opening bank accounts using a different identity, has been awarded New Zealand citizenship by the Minister of Internal Affairs – against the recommendations of New Zealand citizenship officials. 

To make matters even more complex, TGIF Edition has been given information alleging the businessman told an official he had donated money to the New Zealand Labour Party. The Labour government ministers in the gun are Internal Affairs Minister Rick Barker, whose office Allegedly approved the citizenship against the advice Of officials,and Associate Immigration Minister Shane Jones who was brought in to make the final call on Barker’s behalf. Former Labour cabinet minister Dover Samuels sponsored the application.  

The businessman goes in this country by the name Yang (Bill) Liu.Property records reveal he lives in a plush Metropolis apartment in central Auckland with a 2005 valuation of $2.4 million. According to official certificate of title records, Yang Liu paid cash in 2002 – there is no mortgage registered against the property.

Records show Liu also owns a property in the Auckland suburb of Bayswater for which he paid $5 million early last year – again, in cash. However,documents obtained by TGIF Edition from the website of the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions in Australia reveal he was prosecuted there under the alias of Yongming Yan: “Yongming Yan “YongmingYan,a citizen of the People’s Republic of China,was wanted by law enforcement authorities of China for alleged large-scale misappropriation and embezzlement offences committed in China.

Yan travelled to Australia on a number of occasions,first as Yan, and later under the name ‘Yang Liu’. “On these later occasions Yan is alleged to have produced a Chinese passport in the name‘Yang Liu’,and failed to advise Australian immigration officials that he had previously travelled to and entered Australia in the name ‘Yongming Yan’. “Whilst present in Australia,Yan opened and operated a number of bank accounts. Some of the bank accounts were opened and operated in the name ‘Yang Liu’, in circumstances where Yan allegedly failed to advise that he was also known by the name ‘ Yo n g m i n g Yan’, contrary to section 24 of the Financial Transaction Reports Act 1988. 

“On 22 August 2005 a civil restraining order under the POC Act 2002 was obtained over bank accounts held in the name Desant Group Ltd,a company registered in the British Virgin Islands. The accounts in the name Desant Group Ltd were able to be restrained on the basis that they were suspected of being under the effective control of Yan, who was operating the accounts in the name ‘Yang Liu’. The basis for the restraining orders was that Yan was suspected of having committed offences of opening and operating bank accounts in a false name in Australia.

“Yan later made an application seeking revocation of the restraining order.

“The DPP’s proceedings were ultimately resolved by orders of the Supreme Court of New South Wales on 15 November 2006, by consent, forfeiting the sum of A$3,374,236.19 to the Commonwealth. “On 7 June 2007, pursuant to the equitable sharing provisions of the POC Act 2002,the Australian Government repatriated a sum of over $3.37 mil- lion to the Government of the People’s Republic of China,”reported the Director of Public Prosecutions in October last year.

Fascinating stuff, but even more so when the documents obtained by TGIF Edition reveal Yang Liu’s Australian prosecution happened whilst Liu was already a New Zealand permanent resident and has been since 2002. The evidence for this is a signed letter by Labour MP and former cabinet minister Dover Samuels, written on Labour Party letterhead ,dated 30 January 2008 and addressed to Internal Affairs Minister Rick Barker.  

 “I personally know MrLiu,” begins Samuels,naming Liu’s partner and “two young children” before continuing: “Mr Liu has Permanent Residence and has lived in Auckland for six years or more. During the years that I have known him he has demonstrated to be a caring father and husband, with humility and generosity of spirit. “It is my understanding and confirmed by many New Zealand Chinese,that Bill is a decent law abiding person and would make a model New Zealand citizen.I agree with them. “Mr Liu is well known for his public profile, his advocacy of open democracy,social justice and Human Rights,”waxed Dover Samuels,“the same principles that make us proud to be NewZealanders.” Then, in the only clue that Samuels knew of darker allegations swirling around his protégé Yang Liu, he wrote,“Unfortunately, there are those who think otherwise.” Samuels didn’t specify what the“otherwise”might entail,but clearly he’s on the record as being aware, and his comment suggests the Minister was aware as well because Samuels saw no reason to elaborate further. Instead,he told Internal Affairs Minister Rick Barker: “Over the years,Bill has developed a constructive and meaningful relationship with Tangata Whenua, he has also made investments into the fishing and hospitality industry.” A further document, obtained by TGIF Edition, is the reply from Internal Affairs Minister Rick Barker to Dover Samuels: “Dear Dover,thank you for your letter dated 30 January 2008 supporting Yang (Bill) Liu’s application for a grant of New Zealand citizenship. A copy of your letter has been sent to the Citizenship Office to be attached to Mr Liu’s file. “I assure you that when Mr Liu’s application is forwarded to me for a decision, I will take his personal circumstances and your letter of support into consideration. Yours sincerely, Rick Barker.” On 17 March this year,the paper trail reveals the Internal Affairs Department’s Citizenship Office in Manukau wrote to Yang Liu about a hiccup in his application.

“One of the requirements of New Zealand citizenship is that an applicant must be able to satisfy the Minister of Internal Affairs that she/he is of good character,”wrote DIA’s Johannes Gambo. “As you are aware,there is still an active Red Interpol Notice recorded against your name, indi- cating that an arrest warrant has been issued by the Chinese judicial authorities.” Gambo suggested the best course of action was for Liu to ask China to rescind the arrest warrant, but an alternative route existed if preferred: “If, however, you do not wish to ask them to cancel the arrest warrant, your application should be referred to the Minister in an individual submis- sion…You may wish to provide additional information and evidence to satisfy the Minister that, in spite of the above information,you do meet the good character requirement.

“The Minister may approve your application if he  is satisfied that you have exceptional circumstances and that it would be in the public interest for you to receive the grant of citizenship.”

A further letter on Liu’s DIA file (file number CIT2005011583), dated 25 March 2008, reveals the Internal Affairs Department has grave doubts about the suitability of Yang Liu to even be in New Zealand as a permanent resident,let alone be awarded citizenship.

“Could you please answer the following questions in writing,”asked Gambo: 

1.How many identities do you have or have you used? 

2. Why are you using multiple identities? 

3. Which of these identities are false? 

4. What is your true name? 

5. What is your correct date of birth? 

6. Is your birth certificate a true record of your birth? If no,why? 

7. If 20 October 1972 was not your correct date of birth,why did you declare on your application form that you were born on 20 October 1972? Why are you using a Chinese passport that shows your date of birth as 20 October 1972? 

8. If 15 June 1969 was not your correct date of birth,why are you using a Chinese passport that shows your date of birth as 15 June 1969? Or why have you used a Chinese passport that shows your date of birth as 15 June 1969? 

9. How did you obtain this passport? What documents were used to obtain this passport (the Chinese passport authorities would have sighted documentation with this date of birth before issuing a passport to you)? 

10. What happened to these [other] passports: 144944669;143080886;140275129? 

11. What dates of birth and names were used in obtaining these passports? 

12. Are all the documents you have provided to us in support of your application genuine in every respect? If no,why? 

13. Were your travel documents,visas and permits all obtained legally using genuine documents? If no,why? 

14.What dates of birth have you used in your dealings with other government departments and non-government agencies in New Zealand and overseas (for example, banks, Inland Revenue Department,WINZ and LTSA)? Please provide documentary evidence. 

15.What names have you used [with the entities in 14]? 

16. How many identities have you used to enter (or depart from)United States of America?If more than one,why? 

17.How many identities have you used to enter (or depart from)Australia? If more than one,why? 

18.How many identities have you used to enter(or depart from) New Zealand?If more than one,why? 

19. How many offshore registered companies do you currently own? If any, where?   

20. How many offshore registered companies have you owned? If any, where?

The letter reveals knowledge of at least two international criminal investigations into Yang Liu,or whoever he really is,and further asks: “Apart from America and Australia, have you visited any other country in the last five years? If yes, why were they omitted from your application form?” Gambo’s letter concludes with a warning that it’s a criminal offence under s27 of the Citizenship Act to“knowingly or recklessly provide a false statement or submit false/forged documents in support of your citizenship application.” As is very clear,by this stage the DIA didn’t even know who it was really dealing with.Yang Liu is a man with two passports indifferent names, and possibly three other passports as well. His companies were also registered in the British Virgin Islands tax haven – the same haven where Labour’s previous major campaign donor,Owen Glenn,has domiciled his companies.  

According to TGIF Edition’s informant inside the DIA, Liu allegedly mentioned to a DIA case worker he had donated to Labour at a function at the Jade Terrace restaurant: “The Minister for Internal Affairs is giving New Zealand citizenship to people (people who have donated money to the party) who do not meet the requirements,”our informant said when first tipping us off about Liu’s case. “These citizenship's were given against the department’s recommendations. One recent case is in connection with a man who has multiple identities. He is also wanted by the law enforcement agency in his home country. 

The Minister approved the application against the Department’s recommendation. These actions are devaluing the New Zealand passport.” Our informant added tonight: “This is not the first one. The fact is that Mr Liu is unable to meet the“good character requirement”of the Citizenship Act. He was only approved because he is a big donor to the Labour party. He was also given an urgent ceremony. This is worse than Philip Taito Field’s story. You do not give a New Zealand passport to dodgy people without a reason.” Liu’s citizenship application was fast-tracked, according to DIA sources:“Mr.Liu got his citizenship on 11 August 2008 at a private ceremony in Wellington officiated by Dover Samuels.”

TGIF Edition received independent corroboration from one of our other sources that citizenship has indeed been conferred on Yang Liu, and Dover Samuels has confirmed he conducted the ceremony. Regardless of what motivated Labour to approve Liu’s citizenship, the hard facts are that Liu’s citizenship was approved by the Minister, despite knowing that Liu was using multiple identities, had not declared his aliases, and had allegedly supplied false information on his citizenship forms.Whilst Dover Samuels points out that Liu has not used his aliases in New Zealand, it’s a different story across the Tasman where bank accounts were opened using what police allege were false identities.

For Internal Affairs Minister Rick Barker and Associate Immigration Minister Shane Jones – knowing that DIA had discovered criminal breaches in Liu’s application punishable by up to five years’ jail – the questions they now face are serious. Many applicants for residency, let alone citizenship, have been turned away from New Zealand for far less. There is a punishment of up to ten years jail for anyone who issues a citizenship to someone not lawfully entitled to it,under the Citizenship Act.

Rick Barker denies making the final decision on Liu’s citizenship application,but the Department of Internal Affairs has gone on record this afternoon to confirm it sent its recommendations to the Minister. 

The file would have contained all the information uncovered,confirmed a DIA head office spokesman. Although Barker was actively involved in the file as recently as February this year,TGIF received confirmation from Dover Samuels this afternoon that Associate Immigration Minister Shane Jones was called in to act on Barker’s behalf. But why was Jones brought in? What Barker didn’t tell TGIF when we first approached him this morning,was that the Internal Affairs Minister has been a guest of honour at“fundraising”functions amongst the Chinese community at Auckland’s Jade Terrace restaurant. And not just Barker. 

TGIF only found out about the extent of fundraising when we sought comment from Labour Party President Mike Williams about Liu’s donation status. Williams told us that while he didn’t recognise Yang Liu’s name as a formal donor, he could well have attended fundraising functions that Labour hosted in Auckland. “Like the Jade restaurant?”we asked. “Yes,at the Jade,”said Williams,who referred us to one of Labour’s Asian candidates for further detail. Candidate Raymond Huo confirmed to TGIF Edition that “five or six fundraising dinners” have been held at Jade Terrace this year,including some featuring Rick Barker and others featuring Yang Liu’s friend Dover Samuels. Huo said Liu did not attend the fundraiser Huo organised on May 24,and was not invited. “I had been advised by a previous candidate, Steven Ching, to be ‘cautious’in my dealings with Yang Liu, so I never sought donations or assistance from him.” 

It’s understood up to $200,000 can be raised at a single event,on a good night.Mike Williams told TGIF that donations collected are“aggregated”rather than entered under the names of individual donors. We asked Barker whether it was wise for a Minister in his position to be hosting fundraisers within immigrant communities whose members could require him to determine their immigration status later.

“Can I come back to you on that?”Barker initially responded. After further questioning from TGIF Rick Barker began to elaborate on the fundraisers:“The implication you’ve got is that I attended a fundraising dinner with Yang Liu,and I want to say to you I have not.” “Would you know, if you had?” “I know the individual yes, but I have not attended a fundraising dinner with him.” “How do you know him?”,TGIF asked. “I’ll come back to you with the answers to a range of questions… I know who he is. I’m very careful about any fundraising function.I don’t do it for me personally, I do it for the party, and I’m very conscious that if anybody’s got any issues I don’t want them to participate in any function at all. “My office has a firm rule. Any offers of cash or money for services or anything like that is to be refused.” “How long have you known Yang Liu,”TGIF asked again. “Ah, I’m going to come back to you with my other answers as well. It’s part of a package of answers.” Dover Samuels’ friendship with Yang Liu is already on the record, but the revelation that Liu was known personally by the Minister of Internal Affairs is a bombshell twist to the case.

TGIF sought comment from Associate Immigration Minister Shane Jones, but he hung up on us. We wanted to ask Jones whether,as DIA staff allege, he had a role in letting Liu stay in the country,and whether in fact Jones was called on to make the final decision because of Rick Barker’s conflict of interest. Jones and his office have so far failed to respond. Officially,at press time, neither Rick Barker’s office nor Jones’office have confirmed Jones’role in the sequence of events. Dover Samuels,on the other hand, defended his decision to support Yang Liu despite the allegations swirling around them,telling the newspaper that Liu and his family were victims of a vendetta originating in China. Samuels says he was aware Liu had two different passports with different names, but says Liu told him it was because he was fostered out as a child.The passports however not only have different names, but the birth dates are three years apart. Samuels also claimed Liu had told him the Australian court verdict against him had been over- turned in a ruling only three weeks ago,but checks with the Australian prosecutor’s office have shown Liu’s claim is untrue.

Kathy Medved, from the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions head office in Canberra, told TGIF late today that the claim of a new court case overturning the verdict is “a fantasy”. “The situation remains exactly as we laid out in our official report last year,”she said. Dover Samuels also told TGIF that Liu had hired John Billington QC, but when we rang Billington this afternoon his response was:“Who? Idon’thave any idea who you are talking about.”

If Samuels was relying on Liu for his information, so far it hasn’t been convincing. Liu’s phone was going unanswered today. Samuels and Internal Affairs Minister Rick Barker – who both know Yang Liu – deny knowing whether he is a Labour party donor.Barker denies attending any fundraising “dinners”with Liu, but has not yet disclosed how he knows the man. And if Liu did make donations to Labour at a fundraising meeting,there is unlikely to be any official record because of Labour’s policy of simply lumping all the money together that is raised each night. While it makes the donation technically hard to prove,it also makes it technically hard for Labour to rule it out because of a lack of integrity in their fundraising methods. New Zealand Police already have a prosecu- tion underway of another former Labour cabinet minister,Taito Philip Field,into allegations that he received cheap tiling and painting from members of the Thai community in return for assisting their immigration applications. Police only launched their investigation of Field, however, after he refused to guarantee his vote in Parliament would continue to support Labour. An official government inquiry lasting months and costing a fortune was launched to ascertain whether,in fact,Field had received any donations of money or labour. Given the politicisation of the NZ Police headquarters,only a Serious Fraud Office investigation could possibly unravel the details of this latest citizenship scandal,one way or the other.

Friday, October 17, 2008

A good question



A YouTube submitted question for the great debate directed at Helen Clark but not shown.

We saw no tough questions put to Clark and all the hard ones were put to John Key-no matter though Clark fucked up the easy ones like, "how would you describe a rich person?" (she should have said "prick") and Key easily dealt with a grilling from the left.

The video is about trust and puts questions about Helen's honesty directly to her. 

Since this election is supposed to be about trust perhaps TV One could have played a YouTube clip that was central to the election campaign of the Labour Party.

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Donations for citizenship scandal set to break

I am absolutely giddy over this. It seems there have been donations to the Labour Party made by individuals to get New Zealand Citizenship and there are Labour Party Cabinet Ministers involved:


TGIF EDITION this weekend will be breaking a massive story, implicating two current cabinet ministers and a former Labour cabinet minister, in an unprecedented political scandal.

We have the documents and the bodies. Read the burial notice on the front page of TGIF EDITION, out this weekend, and exclusively available to subscribers via http://www.tgifedition.com


The scoop is from Ian Wishart, so we should be a little sceptical but he says he has all the evidence and documentation to back up his accusation.

It breaks tonight, so stay tuned!

Read Ians whole story here.

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Cute and fluffy Muslims

Welcome to the socialist Muslim republic of Aotearoa. 


The Prime Minister courted the 50000 strong Muslim vote in Hamilton yesterday and seemed to blend right in and tolerate the subtle differences with aplomb that this part of our society brings to New Zealand.

She showed grace, even wore a headscarf and infiltrated her personality around her new found Muslim friends, she didn't even shout.

A damn shame those 50000 Muslim's feel ever so slightly different towards us infidels huh?

They all looked so peaceful and just lovely when Helen came calling but of course disagree with some of their bizarre religious beliefs and you could well find yourself missing a vital part of ones anatomy.

Oh well, wherever there are votes there is a pollie I suppose.


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The left get their panties in a bunch

So the rabid left don't think John Key is going to be flexible with their Maori seats policy if it means they can negotiate a deal for form a government after the election huh?


Helen Clark has been as flexible as a Russian contortionist on acid when it comes to Winston Peters and his support. She hasn't ruled him in, she hasn't ruled him out but she is telling the public neither one thing or the other but in private she will negotiate a deal with the devil to get back into power after November 8.

So the head girl hasn't been open and honest herself-again!! Isn't there a story there?

Duncan Garner is doing handstands because he is making negative stuff up about Key that any other party running for a seat is doing right now.

For goodness sake even the Maori Party said publicly a few weeks ago that they could do a deal with National but in private they have been saying to their supporters that they wouldn't do a deal with National because they will remove the Maori seats! Isn't that a story?

Where is the story when it comes to John Key?

There simply ain't one.

It looks to the untrained observer that Key has been indecisive-even though he seems to have attained a new found confidence and has handed this latest left spin well-but if you observe closely it really is just left wing media spin.

The meaningless attacks from the left wing media always seem to come when Key has punished Clark's popularity publicly, as he did during the Prime Ministerial debate on Tuesday but this latest drivel will simply be forgotten come election time because it doesn't matter.

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Thursday, October 16, 2008

FULL VIDEO: 3rd Presidential Debate McCain vs Obama - 15 Oct 2008 at Hofstra University Hempstead, NY




This is the full video, in parts, of the third Presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama held at Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 15 Oct 2008.

The first part is the video above and the subsequent parts of the debate start below this text. There are 17 parts in total.

The debate is 90 minutes long and is the final debate before the November 4 Presidential election.

The debate was more forceful and volatile for McCain and he did well in parts to get the better of Obama.

Public opinion seems to be on Barack Obama's side after the Presidential debate but John McCain is a fighter and will clearly try and peg back his lull in the polls.

The full C-SPAN video in one part is posted here .


LIVE STREAMING: Third Presidential Debate: Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, 15 Oct 2008 (UPDATED)




C-SPAN Debate Hub




Watch the third Presidential debate, to be held at Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY, on Wednesday 15 October 2008 at 9pm (ET) onC-SPAN. (2.00 pm 16 October NZ Time)

It is live on C-SPAN and can be seen here at Political Animal in full after the live screening.

Barack Obama appears to be well ahead of John McCain and the latter will have to give the
performance of his life to peg back Obama's lead.

The Predisidential debates are second only to those happening in New Zealand (to Kiwis anyway)
and the result of the US election will have almost as much influence on as as the outcome of the
New Zealand Election.

The 3rd Presidential debate is happening in the hotbed of the Democratic Party in America, New York, 
so dont expect a sypathetic audience for McCain.

It should be a cracker.

Watch the full video in parts here.

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Sucking Lemons



A lovely little slice of apple pie and down home humour from Emmerson from the Herald commenting on Clark's unhinged performance in Tuesdays Prime Ministerial debate.


I am heartened by Keys new found set of cahoneys, I thought he had lost them, and his performance that Tuesday night leaves me with new found confidence in him for his leadership qualities.


He is more than a match for his corrosive, cancerous competition.


It would have been nice to see some hard questions put to the head prefect as well.


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Sore loser Clark lacks class

When you lose anything you simply suck it up and take it like a man or half a man in Helen's case.


Helen Clark's big loss in Tuesdays debate with John Key has her bitterly attacking her worthy opponent with a torrent of vitriol, mindless name calling and school-yard baiting:

"The fact he didn't burst out crying on the set probably counted for him," she said during a Radio Live question and answer session this morning.

Today she said she was not accusing him of yelling at his family.

"What I meant was he was having a tantrum he was completely out of control trying to shout me down..."

Another reason he couldn't out shout her was that he didn't have a "voice advantage".

NZ Herald

When backed into the losing corner Clark is juvenile, insipid and clearly lacks the class to be a "good loser", the mark of a seasoned politician and a decent, honest, civil person.

She brings all these qualities to her leadership and New Zealanders deserve much better.

Like the good socialist that she is she blamed everyone else but herself.

The format, Johns voice, his inexperience, the questions and the "lack of moderation" were all to blame for her poor showing and Keys dominance.

Not her poor record in government or lack of social skills.

Pathetic.


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Revisiting Telecom New Zealand

I have been a much vocal basher of Telecom New Zealand [TEL] for a long time.

It has been poorly managed for more than a decade; management didn't invest in the company, they despised their customers, often purchased the wrong technologies and have been reactive rather than proactive to competition, especially to their main mobile competitor Vodafone.

While all this has happened, the share price of the company has slid from a high of nearly 10 bucks NZ to $2.42 at close of the NZ stockmarket today.

The 2009 net profit could be as low as NZ$485 million, after a $713 million profit for the 2008 year.

The company is faced with big upgrade costs to modernise their aging fixed line network, their mobile capability and the roll out of a decent broadband offer.

All this negative news, in conjunction with current global market volatility, is clearly going to put further pressure on the share price and we are likely to see a market price closer to 2 bucks before we see the share price go above $3.

I don't say this because of my Telecom bias, I simply mention it because there are currently fundamental reasons why the stock price should slide.

All is not lost though!

If one has the testicular fortitude to buy the stock as it gets closer to 2 dollars, one could well be rewarded when the capital investment starts to pay off.

Telecom isn't about to go out of business-people will always need to communicate- it will still pay a reasonably healthy dividend and a culture movement towards helping their customers will eventually hit home.

It is well worth a punt.

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008

The Bungas go after the Honkys

They say an election is an advanced auction of stolen goods so what better place for the Maori Party to release their economic and social policies but the heart of the auction process Flaxmere in Hastings, my old stomping ground-Hastings not Flaxmere.


The Maori Party are apparently going to attack the dole:

"Every time they [governments] say 'we've got no money', do you notice they find some - like the other day? I know that they always keep a bit of money in the drawer so they can do these things."

She also supported a call to abolish the unemployment benefit.

I'm opposed to the dole. I don't think it is healthy for the spirit of our people, to be getting money for doing nothing." Taniana Turia

Continued

Curious that they would advocate the end of the dole for Maori when they have spent the last 3 years trying to get more welfare for the very same people.

Could it be an election is but 3 weeks away and they want to get the Honky vote?

Yes, that is exactly what it is.

Very clever, the pitch to middle class whitey, to do what they would do if they had power and position. Removing the dole from the hopeless Horis is a full-scale attempt to get the white mans vote.

Lets face it, the party that was built on racism has perfected this sort of pitch to the guilty middle class Honky and the removal of the dole mantra has an edge of guilt laced with a centre of satisfaction should the dole ever be consigned to the Marae dustbin in welfare hovels like Flaxmere.

The fact that this is unlikely to happen is another point entirely but surely we can admire the sheer size of the testicles of members of the Maori Party for giving it a go-even Taniara Turia.

Aren't the Maori Party just lovely?! I am so pleased about their dole policy I might just party vote Maori.


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Labours official spin on Debate dizzying

The official Labour view of last nights Key debate(Clark really didn't feature) from their blog site The Standard is that it was a "narrow victory" for Johnny boy: 


A narrow victory for Key in tonight’s TV1/Youtube debate.

A forum where he could repeat his tired slogans to his heart’s content suited him. No-one could pull him up on his lies, except Clark who, inexplicably, failed to do so. And when Clark spoke, Key just yelled his lines over the top of her.

That might come back to bite him though. Key didn’t want to repeat Brash’s mistake of appearing to treat Clark softly because she is female. Instead, he let out the nasty side in him, yelling, talking over the top. He seemed disrespectful; “I can talk over Helen for the whole debate if you let me Mark - it’s your call”, awful. That won’t play well with women (seems Tories can’t just treat women as they do men). Continued

Most commentators agree that Key came out on top of Helen, even some of the rabid left give the debate to Key, but Labour party officials are already spinning the bullshit and fairy dust, calling him a liar, saying he spoke over the top of her-he did but so did she-and calling him "nasty", she was the one who got personal about Keys home life when she was cornered for the umpteenth time.

Key had her on the ropes the whole 90 mins and even the bizarre irrelevant question from Barry Sopher about the 1981 Springbok tour was used to Keys advantage.

He was around 20 at the time, who at 20 gave a rats about the tour, I didn't because people that young generally don't, he was living a normal life at the time and Clark, who must have been approaching 30 was knee deep in flower bags and police batons-30 year olds are more politically aware!! well duh.

The TV ONE poll that ran along with the debate was also conclusive proof that the public were convinced that Key was the winner of the debate.

With nearly 50000 votes cast  Key had 67% support and Clark was on 33%. A NZ Herald poll out this morning has Key on 72% and Clark on 28%.

Labours denial of the truth here is unfortunate but nevertheless a symptom of their denial of their poor record for the last 9 years and the reason Clark lost confidence in last nights debate.

She had little positivity to back herself up.

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Key wipes floor with Clark in one-sided debate

The overwhelming feature of last nights John Key/Helen Clark debate was the dominance right out of the gate from John Key.


He knew he had to strike and strike first because Clark has a history of interrupting in debates and talking over opponents-simply because she lacks substance so has to gain traction by shouting and carrying on like a rabid Stalinist dog.

Clark didn't do as well as I expected her to and as a Labour supporter one would have to worry about that. Key had her worried, deeply flustered and dominated her in every question.

The main reason for weakness in Clark's arguments was her party's poor results from the last 9 years. They didn't serve her well in the debate at all and couldn't back up her rhetoric.

Key was a bit shaky in his intro speech though.

The consensus from commentators seems to be a hands down Key win as well, although watch for the left spin tomorrow to counter Johns strong performance.

The best part of the debate was when Labour's shower head policy was revealed again and which will come in next February should they get re-elected.

Clark realised it exposed Labours 9 year attack on peoples personal lives, and well, got personal and attacked Key and his home life.

If I was an undecided voter, after last nights performance I would be voting for John Key.

Viewers of the debate overwhelmingly picked Key the clear winner, 67% to Clark's 33%.

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