Monday, November 3, 2008

Clarks drops another lie in debate

In the TV3 Leaders debate between John Key and Helen Clark tonight, Helen Clark lied about the shower restrictions that Shane Jones was going to introduce in February 2009.


She said nothing of the sort was being, or had been contemplated but we all know there was a Labour working party doing research on it and it is a fact that it was going to be introduced next year.

Labour dropped back when there was the logical public outcry so close to a general election and they then considered relaxing shower head flow from 6 litres a minute to 9.

If elected Labour will introduce this law and many other nanny state laws like it. It has been par for the course for the last  9 years and simply would be out of character for Labour to change their ways.

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LIVE BLOG: TV3 John Key vs Helen Clark debate






John Key has started the TV3 leaders debate in the same way as he began the TV One debate two weeks ago.

He has stamped his authority on it right from the get-go and is close to getting under Clark's skin.

She was the first to interrupt the other speaker when experience over the economy was broached and when Labours poor history on management of the economy was discussed by Key.

Key has so far scored points on the economy, education and now John Campbell  has broached the subject of trust with Helen Clark, she looks uncomfortable. 

She gets nasty and she says she doesn't trust Key.

Clark is tittering in the background when not on question and rolling her eyeballs, Key looks like he owns the room.

The question of the racist entrenchment of the Maori seats, which are incidentally impossible to entrench, has been put to Clark and she has fudged and refused to directly answer the question as she has over the last 2 days.

Clark has been asked about the length of her leadership and whether people have gotten sick of her and she has answered the question well but is tending to drift off question now. She says she has more to do.

Key has been asked about his "inexperience" and says that doesn't stand in his way but says it is an advantage rather than a dis-advantage.

He brought out the "Inga the Winger" card and managed to gazump Clark's previous rambling answer.

Key's knowledge of his subjects is shining through clearly now and Clark's political history is letting her down, as in the TV One debate a few weeks back.

The issue of the nanny State interfering has been put to John Key and the question of the Anti Smacking Bill and Key's management of the bill to make it less punitive has been handled well.

Clark's nanny State as a whole has been critiqued and Clark looks bad.

"I am a free spirit", a quote from Clark has given me the biggest bitter laugh that I have had for a long time.

Clark is laughing at Key bringing up the issue of light bulbs, food police, restricted showers, etc, etc.

Clark lies and says there is was no proposal to bring in shower restrictions, when Shane Jones was going to bring it in February 2009 but it was shelved because of public outrage.

Key looks like he has gotten under her skin and she now has that sucking lemons look on her face, the one she gets when she is backed into a corner.

On a "grand coalition" both pollies say they couldn't get together and I and most would have to agree.

On Winston Peters going with Clark, Clark sidesteps the question on whether she will go with him. Waffles without answering.

With Key and his coalition partners he has been emphatic that he will not go with Winnie and has won this question hands down.

Clark finished the debate with interruptions and hysterical hand waving. Key was calm, got his point across firmly with constant interruption from Clark and John Campbell-he constantly interrupted both speakers,especially Key.

Key won the second leaders debate with skill and a firm presence. Clark lost the debate because she waffled, had little positive data to back her up and kept interrupting and giggling while the other speaker was answering questions.

Key 8.5 , Clark 4.5 out of 10.



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John gets Pacific backing in Labour's turf

The fact that Inga the Winger and Iceman Jones are publicly backing John Key, in the very centre of Labours turf should not be lost on Helen Clark, Labour and its supporters.



Their reasons for the endorsement are based on their spiritual values, and their belief that the National Party could take Pacific people in a forward direction, the pair said today.

"We don't want our people just working in factories", said Tuigamala. "We want them starting to own those factories." They criticised Labour, saying they had undermined the moral values of Pacific people by decriminalising prostitution and allowing civil unions. More

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Yesterday other public personalities came out to support Key. Lifetime Labour voters Graham Lowe and Bevan Docherty yesterday came out to back Key as their man and endorse him as a way forward.


It is great to see young Pacific voters putting aside their Labour Party "histories", to be inspired by a party and a man that will suit them better for the future.


Labour think they "own" these people and in a way they do. Many are struggling on the welfare which Labour have them dependant on. I think they are slowly realising that being independent rather than dependant is the way forward.


It makes me feel proud just thinking about it.


Good on ya John.




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TV3 Leaders Debate, Monday 3 November 7.00pm

Your questions
DECISION 08 - THE DEFINING DEBATE, Monday 7.00pm, TV3 Watch full TV3 debate

It's decision time. 3 NEWS goes live with the 'defining debate' between Prime Minister Helen Clark and National Leader John Key. Just days from the election, John Campbell will pose all the questions you want answered, so you can decide for yourself.
This TV3 debate is the second to last leaders debate before the November 8 Election. 
The last debate before the election is on TV One Wednesday, 7.00pm, November 5.
John Key won the first leaders debate screened on TV One 14 October 2008.

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