tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post1451116983698349630..comments2023-10-10T03:26:30.831+13:00Comments on Share Investor: Long Term View: Allied Farmers LtdShare Investorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02150520236094812434noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post-20315204489111937692010-09-09T14:47:09.958+12:002010-09-09T14:47:09.958+12:00Okay, so if I invested $100, you are saying that I...Okay, so if I invested $100, you are saying that I would now have the following using various returns:<br /><br />-10% $90<br />-50% $50<br />-90% $10<br />-100% $0<br />-150% -$50<br />-200% -$100<br />-1352% -$1252<br /><br />Unless I have had to actually put more funds in, your calculations are just non-sensical.<br /><br />Let's consider it another way:<br /><br />If I had invested $100 in May 2002, what would I have today, including dividends and tax credits, and assuming I had re-invested everything received at the time of receipt back into ALF.<br /><br />That would, at least, give us a view on what they have achieved with the funds invested with them?<br /><br />Alan. <br /><br />Hi Alan, as I said the losses or gains are cumulative and are calculated using dividends, tax credits, any capital raisings or bonus shares etc.<br /><br />This overall cumulative figure is divided by the number of years the stock has been listed or has available data for.<br /><br />EG: a $100 with a 50% loss one year (from either a combo or on its own of share price loss, capital raising etc) is then worth $50 at the end of that year and then losses another 50% the following year and say 50% subsequently for another 3 years. After 5 years your cumulative losses are 250%.<br /><br />You are actually left with $3.12 in real terms after those 5 years taking your loss in real percentage terms to 96.88% of your capital.<br /><br />I do see your point but want to show cumulative losses or gains over the length of the investment.Share Investorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150520236094812434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post-64178475669180122922010-09-09T13:46:43.923+12:002010-09-09T13:46:43.923+12:00Alan,
let me put it simply for you...
A loss of mo...Alan,<br />let me put it simply for you...<br />A loss of more than 100% means the company is a dog.<br /><br />Chew on that for a while.Bow Wownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post-41444190673450964302010-09-09T13:44:21.073+12:002010-09-09T13:44:21.073+12:00Surely it is just a measure of how well the compan...Surely it is just a measure of how well the company is treating it's shareholders not how much money you have in your pocket. All the companies Darren reviews in this series are treated equally so it is a very good tool for comparison.<br />Thank You Darren for taking the time and effort to actually get some information out to the public on the comparative performance of many of the companies listed on the NZXRamjettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post-35747517808880330272010-09-09T10:14:56.613+12:002010-09-09T10:14:56.613+12:00Okay, so if I invested $100, you are saying that I...Okay, so if I invested $100, you are saying that I would now have the following using various returns:<br /><br />-10% $90<br />-50% $50<br />-90% $10<br />-100% $0<br />-150% -$50<br />-200% -$100<br />-1352% -$1252<br /><br />Unless I have had to actually put more funds in, your calculations are just non-sensical.<br /><br />Let's consider it another way:<br /><br />If I had invested $100 in May 2002, what would I have today, including dividends and tax credits, and assuming I had re-invested everything received at the time of receipt back into ALF.<br /><br />That would, at least, give us a view on what they have achieved with the funds invested with them?<br /><br />Alan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post-44619427219268922782010-09-09T06:00:12.868+12:002010-09-09T06:00:12.868+12:00Hi Anon,
my calculations show the cumulative ret...Hi Anon, <br /><br />my calculations show the cumulative returns, minus or plus over the years, hence what your return has been, not what you might have left as capital.<br /><br />In the case of ALF the Dec share issue was so large and the drop in share price ditto it gave such a poor overall and annual return.Share Investorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150520236094812434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686764185628666543.post-46302376290305073332010-09-08T22:32:04.578+12:002010-09-08T22:32:04.578+12:00A return of -100% would mean a total loss of every...A return of -100% would mean a total loss of everything invested.<br /><br />How are you getting losses of more than 100%?<br /><br />Perhaps you could put up your calculations, or post the spreadsheet or whatever it is you used?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com